Episode 17

An Early View of the Future of Work

With Raghu Krishnamoorthy
Episode 17

An Early View of the Future of Work

With Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Ex-CHRO GE. Senior Faculty at Mentora Institute. Fulbright Scholar. Award-Winning Academic.

Raghu is a seasoned global executive with 36+ years of experience in driving business outcomes as a Human Resources professional. He retired from General Electric (GE) as the CHRO in early 2019, after 25 years with the company — doing work that spanned three continents, several multi-billion-dollar lines of business, and exciting corporate leadership roles. At Mentora, Raghu serves as an Executive Director and Senior Faculty, leveraging his experience and expertise in driving pragmatic, application-oriented solutions in learning and transformational change.

Raghu is often sought out to share his expertise at colleges and forums like Harvard, MIT, Yale, and the Economist, the Milken Institute, etc. He has authored a number of articles published in a number of publications, including HBR. Most recently, his research won the best paper award at the Academy of Business Research August conference. The New York Times have him as part of a documentary on the Workplace, and he has been invited to share it at several forums, including ASTD and Human Capital Index. He was also named as one of the top 50 Asian Americans in the world of business in 2009. 

  • As expected, this was brilliant Raghu. Your final thoughts were enlightening. Sridvenk
  • This sheds a lot of light on the power of leadership's ability to connect on a personal level. I can't wait to share this conversation. Alfreda McCray
  • This is truly going to help in making the future societal culture more balanced individually, at the family level and also at work and society in general. Anuradha Khanna

In this episode of Intersections, Prof. Hitendra Wadhwa has a conversation with Raghu Krishnamoorthy on the topic “An Early View of the Future of Work”.

As COVID-19 surged around the world in early 2020, Working From Home went overnight from being an employee benefit to a business imperative. What was initially meant to be a temporary arrangement could now end up being a permanent shift. Some call it the new normal, others, the new abnormal. Whatever you may call it, there is no question that we are unlikely to snap back to our past conditions anytime soon.

What does this mean for Work, Workers and the Workplace? Is this a leapfrog to the future of work? How are employees experiencing this shift? What new challenges are both employees and managers facing? And what does this mean for organizational culture and for leadership?

“Possibility is a choice to see the future in a new way. Striving to achieve the possibility is therefore transformative. Good leaders know this.”
Raghu Krishnamoorthy

The episode “An Early View of the Future of Work” offers key insights on:

  • Setting new protocols, disciplines and expectations for navigating through disruption
  • What are the emerging technologies to collaborate effectively in a virtual environment
  • How to rebuild habits and connections in the virtual workplace
Hitendra Wadhwa

Hello, everyone. A warm welcome back to Intersections where we take time every Thursday, to come together and reflect on where we are headed as individuals, as communities and humanity, with the aspiration of exploring our fullest potential. We have my dear colleague at the Mentora Institute, Raghu Krishnamoorthy, on the show as our guest host. Raghu has been researching on what has been happening in the workplace at the early stages of the Covid crisis. As you watch, some of his key learnings have been on this team of work, work from home and the future of work.

A warm welcome to all of you. Please use the chat to tell us where you are from, and also as a way to get more actively engaged to share, connect and ask questions, so that we may have a lively forum.

Before I bring Raghu on, I just want to spend a minute sharing a couple of things with you about who he is. Raghu is a colleague of mine at Myntra. He got an MBA from the Indian Institute of Management and end up on the Premier Management Institute in India. He is currently pursuing his doctoral studies at UPenn. In addition to his work at Mentora, he has had a storied career in GE and 36 years of experience as an H.R. professional. He was named one of the top 50 Asian-Americans in the world of business in 2009. Raghu has been giving talks on his ideas about where management, culture, and human potential in organizations is going. More recently, he's been doing this work on the future of work. Recently, the Academy of Business research nominate his paper as the best paper in business. Raghu Krishnamoorthy, thank you for joining us today, and warm welcome.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Thank you Hitendra for a warm welcome and introduction. I really appreciate being here.

Hitendra Wadhwa

I want you to know that we have some story people in our audience today. I'm noticing Mitch Medic, who has been one of the longest standing presidents of Florida International University in America. Remember what got you interested. With all that's going on, you dedicate your energies in your doctoral research to this question of the reality and challenges of work from home.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Yeah. In some ways, we are going through an unprecedented phenomenon. But imagine if you had one recollection of last year. Around this time, you would have gone to sleep and woken up. We have had a battering from the pandemic. Our roads are empty, offices and schools are empty. People are doubling down on working from home. From that point of view, working from home had suddenly shifted. It used to be a benefit that could have been retracted any time. And if your leaders did that, Marissa Mayer famously retracted this benefit in 2013, though it's continuing to grow as a preference, especially among the younger generation. But it was a benefit. However, the pandemic has made a huge shift. It became a business continuative contingency arrangement. It is now viewed as a productivity initiative. And it could be something that could be here for a long time or perhaps changes forever. So given this transition, I was intrigued to study the phenomenon.

Hitendra Wadhwa

What is your data set?

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

It's a mixed method study. The study itself was about one of the factors influencing employees and managers in working from home during the transition because of COVID 19. That was the topic. We had a quantitative side to it, and they had about five hundred and eighty responses from people across the world, across age groups, across industries and across types of organizations. Once we had that data and analyzed it for its salient insights, we then had focus groups from among the participants to give us some other details. We want to not only to look at the data, but also to understand one level deeper in terms of human stories that people attach to the data. We asked people to explain to us why they said that managers experience more stress and anxiety during such times. Then we did an open the study on a group of senior managers. We asked how they make decisions for your organization? That was the journey we went through over a period of three months.

It was an extremely interesting three months, because even during this time, people started settling down. We did the survey in April, and at that time, people were still negotiating their equation with working from home as an organizational initiated drive, as opposed to benefit. And now people have settled down. I think we are now in a different phase in the first phase. What I found was that organizations felt it was not as bad as they thought it would be, but employees thought it was not as good an arrangement as they thought it would be. We are now in some cases six months into the journey, and if organizations are not wanting to go back to office space, people are saying no. So, we are still in a gridlock with many organizations still figuring out what is the new equation going forward. The study is not over. We have an early glimpse of what people are thinking, but I do believe that this is going to be a longitudinal study which is trying to see the evolution of people's framing of the issue over a period of time.

Hitendra Wadhwa

Let's do a couple of polls right here. Let's collect some data on one that we put together. I'm going to ask my colleague to put this up in the chat window. Click on the link and it will take you to the question. The first question is, how are you feeling about working from home? You can share that response with just one word. Thank you for sharing. So, we have a book coming together here. It's interesting. What do you think of some of the books that can emerge?

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

I think the first one is a great collage of people's perspectives. And I think it got reinforced in my study as well. I would say the key findings from the study were as follows. Firstly, most people felt that they were pretty effective in working from home. However, if you look at the independent variables such as communication, technology, behavior and psychology. communication was not a problem; technology was not a problem. Technology is so important, if you didn't have it, people felt disoriented. In terms of the psychological aspect such as managing schedules, isolation, managing the children, and dividing the work between yourself and your spouse, those were things you are not ready for, and that happened suddenly. So, people are having some difficulty navigating through that. The task itself was not an issue. Yeah, people are experiencing a little more comfort because they have worked out the kinks in their life, but I think there's still some work to be done. What it tells you is that people have actually settled down. And I think that's a good place to be if you are put up in front of an organization. The challenge for them to think through is, how am I going to get people back to office?

Hitendra Wadhwa

There are some positives here. I see some people saying enjoyment. Some are saying flexibility, some people think it's energizing, liberating, no longer distracted. Then we're also seeing a long, lonely, crazy. So, we do have some unresolved challenges here. You mentioned that, as part of it, you did these focus groups and you discovered some very interesting and insightful personal stories. Can you share an example of one or two of those stories that emerged that surprised you?

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Let me share this with you. Suppose you are a mom with a couple of small kids and you're a manager with a globally distributed team. This lady shared with me that she gets up the morning at 5:30 and starts getting on calls with Asia in the morning, Europe in the afternoon or 10 o'clock in the evening. She gets on the American workforce. While she's doing that, she also has to take care of kids who are now at home. That's really tough on her, because she had to make some tradeoffs between work and her children. The fact that she was finding it difficult to juggle with all that.

Another is of a young man who was working in Bangalore. He was staying in a paying-guest accommodation as he is originally from a village. This person is saying that "I don't have a desk; I don't have a chair. I'm sitting on my bed working for 12 hours. The restrooms are closed outside and depend on my landlord to get me a sandwich. I'm Muslim, so I'm fasting as well. And I can only connect with my parents at 10:30 in the night." He says he is really struggling by, like being locked in a situation. "I feel I'm actually at the end, and I don't know how to work my way out of this captivity."

Another person said, "I actually feel the need to go out and hug somebody. Forget social distancing. Forget physical distancing. I need that human connection." And we now know that the absence of human connection is as dangerous as smoking fifteen cigarettes a day. There is medical evidence about isolation, creating the same dynamic as a health hazard as smoking cigarettes a day. It's something tangible for us to really think about as people navigate their way through a very difficult period. So, you not only have to look at the common step, but there are different personas involved that we need to factor into account here.

Hitendra Wadhwa

Raghu, one of my responsibilities in this conversation is to take it from the outer challenges to the inner quest. I'm reminded of a story I heard last week. It was this annual spiritual convocation of my spiritual teacher, Yoga Nanda. One of the stories that was shared there was about the relationship he had with some of his very close disciples back in the 1920s and 1930s and 1940s when he first came and set up his yoga-based teaching and this organization. Sometimes he would deliberately physically distance himself from some of those close disciples who could otherwise have unfettered access to him. He was saying get attuned from within, go and deepen your meditation, and that gives us a spiritual path and seek to have that connection to the higher power from within. Of course, that is a fairly radical kind of quest compared to the workplace that you're talking about, where people were doing their own truth-seeking and self-realization. But the one sort of parallel I want to draw with that, is that there is research that shows that loneliness is a disease.

There is also research to show that loneliness is more of an inner condition rather than an outer condition. For example, you could be a Hollywood celebrity with tons of friends and fans, but you're feeling lonely from within. Then there are others who may really thrive in solitude, because somehow, they've created a deep connection from within. And while this is not the answer that we need right now in the world of business and in thinking about work, life, balance and all of that and bringing back some physicality, some engagement that you've highlighted to that comment from that from that individual, I relate to so much at the same time. I think like maybe one of the things this pandemic has done is just invited all of us to look within and see how rich I'll be from within when we're not getting things from the outer world. What are the treasures we need to create from within so that over time we get more and more self-sustaining at least in some of the basic nurturing that we need?

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

I think one of the things that it tells us is we had become dependent on external stimuli for such a long time. And, even if you are not staying at home, most of the stimuli you're getting is from the news. The news is as much of a health hazard these days as the pandemic because it drives you up. I think the profound comment that you make is very important, because I do believe as people start thinking about mental health and well-being, you're starting to see the fact that people are gravitating more towards the internal part of the equation. Meditation, gratitude and so on and so forth. And I heard a comment from somebody the other day, a CEO, saying that I've been using Headspace for the last couple of years. Maybe like fitness was, say fifteen, twenty years ago. Mental wellbeing is going to become mainstream, and I hope it does.

Hitendra Wadhwa

Let's do another poll. If you have choice, would you like work from the office or from home? Use the same link and select the correct option. We will wait until a fair number of persons have responded before discussing.

Raghu, what are you learning about work-life balance at a time like this, both from the management of the individual and the organization?

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

The big question that we need to think through is, "are we working from home, or are we living at work?" That's the question. And from that point of view, I'm even wondering. One of the participants pointed out maybe it's not work-life balance, maybe we should think about this as a work-life conflict because we are not in balance. Another person said, we need to think about it differently yet again, because when we are talking about work-life balance at work, it was about life intruding into work. I used to go to the office, and I had to go and attend my daughter's basketball game or a music concert. And life was to improve. And to what? While you're at home at work, work is intruding into your life. We've got children to take care of. You got health care issues and your parents to take care of. And therefore, that conflict is inevitable. Some people know how to manage it. It raises the question, how are people managing it? And the ostensible way people seem to be managing it, I need to take care of myself- Nutrition, exercise, sleep, gratitude. Those are important. We have forgotten a very important part in this equation, and that's the work. If you're taking care of your physical self and mental self, what you're saying is I'm trying to attend to the balance part of my life in my spare time. But you're still spending bulk of your time in work. If the work itself is not enriching, you're still going to have that imbalance.

So, I'm thinking about a new phrase. It's not what life-balance should be, but work-life enrichment, where work itself is a source of nourishment and enrichment. And we are discounting that. I believe for me, that points to a few things. One is organizations look at work-life balance as a benefit issue- let's outsource it, do employee assistance program. Let's talk about childcare, let's talk about time off or sick leave. That is one part of the equation. But if organizations say, okay, I am not just going to adopt my people for their skills, but for their potential and dreams, I'm going to create an organizational culture that allows people to grow, that allows the managers to be supportive of their employees and the co-workers to be supportive, those are the three dimensions. In my research, I found organizational culture, manager and the co-worker. These three are key drivers of work. So work moves from just a job to something that's more profound, say a calling. You are then able to take the positive energy from work and transfer it to life. If work is not a calling, then it becomes a drain. So, I believe work needs to be energizing. And for that, we need to think about purpose in the workplace. Love in the workplace and socialization in the workplace. I do believe the energies that we talk about in Minnesota become a real muscle in making sure that the work part is enriching as well. If you don't have that, you're not going to be able to find equilibrium in this life.

Hitendra Wadhwa

I think I'm hearing from you the importance of changing the motivational levers of work, the engagement levels from purely extrinsic to more intrinsic, something that makes work naturally and authentically inspiring for each individual so that they can, in their own personal space and way, create a sense of fulfillment from it, whether or not they are in a physical workspace with other people. Let's look at the results of the of the poll that we just did. I'm going to ask my colleague to share what it is that we have learned. But look at that office - eight percent.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Look at that. It tells you, if a leader is looking at this, they need to change the perspective of how they think about office. Firstly, the good news, it's not binary. It's not either or, it's both. Secondly, Siemens has done a phenomenal job when the CEO said, listen, in future, you decide where you want to work, you decide where you're going to be most productive. And productivity doesn't mean present for me. And that shift is a very progressive shift organizations are making. And a lot of organizations are saying, OK, this is no more a contingency arrangement. This is a future of work reset. And in this, we said we're going to think about the worker and look at this very differently. A progressive organization would say, okay, I'm going to empower employees to determine where they want to work, when they want to work, and then create the environment to do so.

Hitendra Wadhwa

One of the things that strikes me about what you're just saying about the Siemens example is that it speaks to a culture of higher level of trust between the manager and the team, because you can no longer keep a watchful eye over the employee as to physically see what they are doing. And so, it suggests to me that the consciousness of the workplace must evolve to a higher place, where there is such a sense of intrinsic motivation, a strong bond, a deep commitment to the purpose, that you can just take it on faith that people are doing the hardest work they can. In the past there was this very spoken or unspoken understanding that you keep your home affairs at home when you show up at work. Now, we realize that every now and then, a small child could be having a tantrum or something you could be having a little struggle with but they're on loan at home from your routine. How do you know what's genuine, like addressable and not invisible? You just have to take it on faith that each person on your team is doing the best they can to make that kind of balance happen.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

I think it's a big realization, just like when we now know, at least in the US, there's so much debate about children going back to school. When the child comes to school, you're not just talking about the brain coming to the school, you're talking about the child coming here, the baggage of issues around nutrition issues, around health issues, around domestic violence and so on. You're bringing the whole child to the school, not just the brain. In the same way, organizations need to realize that they're bringing the whole person, not just the skills, not just the ends. If you ask the question, my study reveals a couple of things. When you ask the employees what training they think they need to have? They talk about having training on work, home standards, work-life balance and management. But when you ask the question, what training would they like their leaders to have? They responded trust, empathy, emotional intelligence comes through as the top three, which tells you what they need from the organization.

Hitendra Wadhwa

I think that is a lesson for those of us who are leaders. What are you learning about our managers being able to successfully execute a greater sense of connection, empathy, belonging, for the employees at a time like that? Let's take a moment digression. I'm turning to this comment from Marissa where she's saying, "look, I teach higher ed and teaching online has taken all the fun out of teaching and just left the work." Marissa, as someone who also teaches higher ed, I really enjoyed your comment a lot. It's something that is a real challenge that many of us here at Columbia Business School, for example, are facing as well. I want to, offer a real hope right in there, though. I was trying to figure out how to bring the same connection and bond in that classroom as I transitioned from being physical to being online, then I learned some important lessons. One of those lessons was, don't be on autopilot. Really rethink what it is that you and the class need to experience and how you can experience that and put some real effort and thought into it. Part of it is setting expectations with these people up front, which I think could be a best practice even in the workplace. That is going to be hard. It's going to be different. We are going to have to step out of our comfort zone. We're going to have to establish new protocols for how we communicate, new disciplines for how we connect and all of that. And let's do it and who knows what breakthroughs and insights we will achieve. So, I go back to you, Raghu, what have you learned about how great managers and great cultures are adapting to the demands of today's employees?

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

I shared with you a story I heard from one of the focus group participants, and this person was on the autistic spectrum. He shared with me the fact that he really struggled in terms of picking up cues when we went to work from home. He was interrupting people when he should not be interrupting. He was silent when he needed to speak because he was missing all the cues. He said, my manager listened with her eyes, and she called me up and said, what's wrong? Help me understand. You don't seem to be where you should be. And is there something I can do to help you? Now, he was so grateful for that conversation. He said, listen, I'm on the spectrum, though. I'm really struggling to figure it out, the normal cues that I would get under such circumstances. The lady then said, OK, I've figured out a protocol. In the beginning, she explained to them that one of the colleagues is finding it difficult to follow everybody. And therefore, she's instituting these rules to make sure that the person is not left behind. Can you imagine the motivation this individual feel about the fact that the group and the manager was particularly sensitive to the needs that he had?

I can talk about the fact that the managers have a responsibility of listening with their eyes and providing emotional first aid when it's required. It's not what we normally do as managers. However, in a trusting relationship when you feel your managers arms around you saying that I'm here for you, you feel the sense of balance. Five relationships that have all been upended right now, person-family, person- boss, person-subordinate and person-client. In one organization, they found that the salespeople had higher blood pressure over the last three, four months because they could not interact with the clients the way they used to. And finally, person-occupation. How are you? How is your career going to be affected? What does it mean enough? So, all five of them have gone through a disruption. The one that fills the gap the most is person-manager. The second is person-family, you feel is within your control. But the manager is not so. How organizations train their managers to listen, to create trust, to be empathetic, to have the right amount of emotional intelligence in nurturing in times like this are some key competencies that are starting to emerge that you wouldn't have found in a normal face-to-face moment.

Hitendra Wadhwa

Did you hear anything about any solutions out there, any technologies that are being used in very innovative ways? Or is this something that we cannot depend on like technological breakthroughs? We just kind of have to figure it out, because for the most part, it's about these kinds of human-to-human connections, and you can form them even on the telephone.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Honestly, there is some really good thinking going on in technology. Technologies to connect, collaborate. Is still more of an issue. So how do you collaborate, literally? How do you connect virtually? It's still evolving. So, there are some new technologies that are starting to appear. You can do a collaborative meeting very well. What I'm sensing is managers that spend time with their teams and say, how do we do this? What protocols do we need to establish? How do I check in with you? Because initially some people said many of the check-ins appeared as checkups. People are checking up on me as opposed to checking in on me, which is a trust equation. But if you did just like this lady with this autistic. But how do I relate with you? How do I create the environment? That's a good way of not waiting for the technological solutions, but we're allowing for the group itself to come up with appropriate vehicles through which they would collaborate.

Hitendra Wadhwa

A dear friend, Bart McLagan, who is a very seasoned leadership and culture expert, has done some remarkable work Hello. Welcome to the show. I remember the incredible journey that you have taken in your career. You went over to South Africa and worked for the rebuilding of that nation with the leaders around Nelson Mandela. I know you've got incredible insight on management. I do wish you had more thoughts as we're evolving this conversation. There are a couple of technologies that I've been watching with interest even before coronavirus scheme. One of them is like kind of mobile robot-like thing, which has features like an iPad. You can remotely control it and have a conversation. Let's say you're in an office and I'm not in office or there are two people in that in that room with you. I can put that face towards the other person. So, I'm controlling my physical experience, all in the remote space.

The second I thought was, when there were remote workplaces, for example, like two different offices, one in Miami, one in New York, and they needed to be more connected, they would create large screens like webcams, then just place them in the typical places that people bump into each other, like the corridors or the coffee machines as people are walking in or coming out. For instance, as you go to the coffee machine, you see that one of your colleagues in the other office has also gone to the coffee machine. You can have a conversation with them spontaneously, right there like you might otherwise in a physical office. As we think about the future of work and we think about situations like we just saw here, there's so many of us are saying like we want to continue to work from home, or at least part of the time to work from home. I wonder if technology might include a little bit into that. In a way that makes some business sense, just create an office for yourself at home and let's set some expectations as to a minimum core of time where all of us will be working at the same time. Yes, you have some commitments to your child, or an ailing parent or something. But we could at least, agree that as a team, all be there at work in our offices just see the other person, and just every now and then talk to them as needed.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Those boundary settings are very important. I think what becomes very clear is as we go back, you got to keep in mind, our entire work design is based on physical work that's been so embedded into our consciousness over the last couple hundred years. Now we must consciously transfer that to do work, both virtual work design and virtual work experience, that it comes from very different ways of figuring out how you connected with each other. We have to consciously switch over to think about the virtual space as the primary space, not the physical space. So, you've got to designing virtual workspaces, designing virtual employee experience, and creating virtual intelligence competencies - three important barometers of the future of work.

Hitendra Wadhwa

That's beautiful. Michelle is saying, "having worked with Raghu, he does this naturally as a leader. I love that he's truly thinking through this and take what he knows intuitively to create a methodology so others can learn." If any of us here is keen to bring some of these ideas into your workplace, then, get in touch with us. We would love to have a conversation with the organization about some of these findings that Raghu is using from his research and how we are melding it with our training on culture and leadership, in order to bring out the best for our organizations and teams in today's times. Ross is saying that leading in a virtual environment requires the creation of intentional interactions in order to build these connections. I We are in a new environment, this virtual environment and we must be intentional, because we have to build new instincts. We have to experiment, we have to be open to a certain number of failures and learn and introspect and reflect what worked and what didn't work. You are going to question, you are going to experiment, you are going to discover, and you are going to listen. The wisdom energy is our work of opening yourself up to new possibilities, unshackling yourself from the habits of the past. As Ross is saying, to be intentional about it, sounds like a critical need for the day.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Absolutely. I think from my point of view, if we did not view this moment as a transformational opportunity, we would be missing the point. It's never become more important that what we found out is that is an employee is the sum of his contributions on the part of those contributions are related to tasks. Much of the contributions are related to good organization's citizenship. It's no different in society right now, realizing that we are citizens of society, we have more than our family to take care of. Therefore, those connections as organization's citizens must be really strong for us to also find meaning and wisdom. Unless you are in a position to share and expand, you're not going to get much from the outer world or from the context. Everybody has to do it. And that's when organizations and institutions find purpose, meaning and relevance in society of today.

Hitendra Wadhwa

Okay, let's do another poll. And this time we are curious to understand what kind of challenges are you facing in work from home? We have posted a number of challenges there. You can pick one or a multiple of them. We'd be curious to see which of these are very real for all of us here in this room. Use the link in the chat to answer this question.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Yeah, I think there are a couple of surprises in my study. One was managers were facing more stress than employees. I think organizations would be better served to rethink some of their processes. Goal setting, performance management, KPIs. I think they need to be rethought and simplified in this environment. The second thing we found was that younger workers wanted to come back to office more than older workers. Likewise, startup workers wanted to come back to office space more than workers in major position. And the point behind that to be explored was that younger workers haven't yet got the relationships and therefore have a stronger affinity distance. They are not operationally distant or technologically distant but there is a sizable affinity distance that they want to bridge by coming back to the office. The second thing is on startups is that unfortunately, their processes are not yet robust. That's shared understanding of the context. So. for them, it creates a lot of confusion if they are not putting their mind in terms of evolving that process. So, people in startups also find it difficult in terms of working from home. Those are some unique elements of my research that I thought I should share with you.

Hitendra Wadhwa

Thank you. So, you're seeing the results here. How are you feeling about what you're seeing about how people are responding to today's poll?

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Look at that. Developing strong bonds with my colleagues, meeting the demands of my work in public. It shows you how important your connection with your colleagues is. At the end of the day, what comes through for me is that life working from home does help on self-interest. But working from the office or in a shared space helps in common interest. People want both to take care of their self-interest, but also want to address the common interests. And common interest is what's our meaningful purpose. How can we grow together through compassion and love and empathy? Those are very real human motivators. So, I think this discussion of future of work is less about technology and more about humanity.

Hitendra Wadhwa

How do we evolve our mindsets, our intentions, our interactions in a world that has become increasingly virtual and digital? In the old world, they would call it the man-machine interface.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

An important lesson is that this attention gives energy, not just time. So that's why when somebody calls you and says, how are you doing? Demonstrating that attention charges people, energizes people, and it's an important leadership tool to help.

Hitendra Wadhwa

Another thought on that front I had about this is, the biggest blip we saw on that screen was about the human connection. Side of it is, if you think about the way a connection is built, in the workplace, part of it is through the collaboration on the projects itself and the stimulation and reward that we are getting from doing good work together. Then also there are these more informal, like fun like bids for connection that one person makes like, did you watch the game last night? And then from there, it opens a little bit more and a little bit more. But nothing that has to do with work at all. And before you know it, there's been about five minutes just nurturing the human spirit and creating that bond. And we may run the risk of losing that in this more formal zone of our Microsoft team kind of like meeting appointments that we have with each other. One thing I find very valuable is to check in with yourself about who are some people on your team that you haven't had that human touch with recently and then see if you can find a few minutes just to just to call them and check in with them just like say, hi, how are you doing? Have just a joyful, fun exchange with them. I don't know what you think of that.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

It is so true. I can tell you personally of a recent introduction. I'm so grateful for a young lady, a colleague of mine, that reached out to me and my wife saying, "hey, I know that you're over 60. I know you may find it difficult to go outside and buy groceries. Any time you need anything, please ask us. We will be very happy to help you. Write your groceries. Take up your medicines." And that one small email has stood with me over the last four months as a symbol of this person reaching out to me and wanting to help. We have not had the opportunity of taking a anything, but that human worker has called my heart, so to speak. And I believe that if you all can do that once a day or once a week even, I think the world is going to be much better, not let alone your workplace. It is a very important time for us to do that in full display.

As we're coming close of our time here together, I think what has emerged for me as the most important here is that we need to be conscious. We need to have this intentionality so that we are not just blindly adhering to certain traditions and norms of our culture, our workplace, or how we have done things until now. But each of us must take responsibility as being co-creators of a new world. We have to discover the future of the future. We cannot just assume that it will just like come here on its own. As each of us is going through that discovery and learning and experimentation, any final thoughts or words to advise and guide each on actions that we can take on in the next few days to accelerate and deepen that discovery in our great conversion experience? This is when we know of what the gaps are on. For me, that would be three things, empathetic listening, giving emotional first aid and forging connections. On the personal side, finding purpose at work, finding, giving love and compassion at work, and finding growth at work. In some ways, what we are talking about is how can we use this as an opportunity to grow as human beings.

Hitendra Wadhwa

Thank you so much for that. It's been a real joy to you have you here with us. I look forward to staying myself in touch with what you're doing and also having another opportunity to bring you back when you have further findings and insights. Let's use this moment to thank Raghu and appreciate all the other inspiration and insight that you brought to us today.

Raghu Krishnamoorthy

Thank you for the opportunity.

Hitendra Wadhwa

I think in terms of the key learnings and summary from this, is that it is so much about the human side of the equation, the intrinsic motivation that we all need to cultivate, both in ourselves and others. All the rules of the game are starting to get broken, and we have to now create more of a trust-based environment and a culture. And perhaps then when we come out of the pandemic and we acquire those degrees of freedom, we will be in an even better position to create a better world, a better society.

Next week, we have an incredible force with us - someone who started his career by photographing Eleanor Roosevelt when she came to do a commencement address at his school. From there, he went on to photograph, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy, Nelson Mandela, among many of these world leaders. He has also photographed some of the greatest stars in Hollywood and in the performing arts and was himself a performing artist. He was a close friend of Luciano Pavarotti and later ended up getting to really close with the Beatles. An incredible man, Henry Grossman, will be with us next Thursday. So, join me for incredibly enriching and beautiful conversation with one of the prominent photographers of the last several decades. I look forward to seeing you then. And until then, have a wonderful next seven days.

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